Friday, February 19, 2010
In their own words...
I contacted several SunTrust employees that were soliciting business for new construction loans. I outlined exactly what happened to us without naming the lender and here are some of their responses:
"Wow, that sounds like a very tough situation (to put it mildly). So many of the things that you mention went so far against all of the checks and balances that we have and if any of them were implemented (safeguards, that is) you would not be in the position you are in now." but we’ll be happy to show you how the other side of the lending fence does business."
"Wow, what a nightmare."
"Yes we require an inspection before every draw. We start with a draw schedule and go off of percentages. The inspector releases items as they are complete, such as footings, foundations, roof, etc. You are responsible for paying for change orders as they occur. 10 draws is excessive and 26 is ridiculous. No we only fund after work is completed. We have to approve the builder ahead of time with references. I can’t answer why the bank would not go after them. I just don’t understand why they would pay him for work that was not completed."
"I firmly believe that you are victims of an extreme situation – almost “smells” like collusion. Do you have a good attorney????? This is truly horrible, and I am sorry you have been involved in such a debacle. Essentially, draws are based on percentage of work completed, and not on materials delivered, etc."
"I regret to hear of your construction to permanent loan loss. I can say I’ve never heard of anything like this in 30 years of business experience. We do not disburse funds to the builder for the very reason of funding another project.
1.NO – we require the Builder sign an addendum to the builder’s contract that would include STM.
2.We check out the builder’s permit and how he pays subs.
3.We require an inspection $100.00 each and do not fund until appraiser states complete (if he orders lumber he is not paid until framed) STM and appraiser keep a percentage of completion chart which must be followed.
4.We do not disburse for up grades – you pay the difference.
5.We have a construction lending department which keeps tight control of draws
6.Draws are limited to usually once a month; builder can draw 10% up front to establish his cash flow."
"I can certainly understand all your current problems and in a lot of ways more than you will ever know. We have a complete construction department that has been set aside because of all the problems that people have experienced in the past and we now take the application here locally and then send the file to Gainesville to the department for processing, underwriting, approval of the builder and that way they stay on top of things from the start to finish. It is unfortunate that things like this happen but with all the changes that we have gone though I think that we have put a lot of things in place to help people not have to go through things like you and have I."
"Hi Cat. Oh…. I am so sorry! I know you must be devastated. Take it from me though that there are other families in similar scenarios as you all.
In years past, there were several construction perm “programs” that were way too aggressive. Although they sounded perfect at the time, the unfortunate part is that buyers, builders & lenders are NOW realizing that it wasn’t well planned out. Builders began having a hard time obtaining financing on the business end, they relied on the customer’s money for the cost building (c-p loans) and the, c-p programs were too aggressive. The other biggie is that no one expected such a declining market or prepared for the “long term”. So …..I’m saying all of this so you will not beat yourself up…it’s been a tough year. I’m glad you emailed and will be honest with you with what I know.
Direct disbursement to the Builder??? No maam. You are in control of the funds. They are released to YOU unless you would like for them to be released to YOU and the builder (I strongly suggest the disbursements go to only you).
We give YOU to money and you give it to the builder.
We do not disburse funds to YOU until we are sure the work is complete and there are normally 5-6 inspections and disbursement so the disbursements and completed work in monitored often.
We distribute the amount per the draw schedule, plans, specs and proof of completion of each stage.
Unbelievable.
The builder had too much control of your build AND loan. You need to be in control of when your money is disbursed and it needs to go to you directly. When you are satisfied with the builders work & inspection is satisfactory, THEN you can give the builder the funds.
Lenders have to be careful with the lawsuits and the documents usually read that you can choose the builder (however, SunTrust requires that the builder you choose provides quite a bit of documentation about their business, providing references, credit checks, etc) to minimize as much risk for you as possible."
I’m so sorry about your experience. It should NOT be that way."
"I’ll have to add that we’ve had more changes in our industry in the last 18 months than I’ve seen in all my previous years in this industry and it’s a continually refined set of guidelines that we have to keep up with and understand. Many lenders have dropped their construction programs all together.
Yes but it’s the customers choice whether they want to disbursements to come to them or the builder. I personally always suggest they only go directly to the customer’s account so if you are not satisfied with anything in the process you have the power of control on your side in negotiating with your builder.
We require invoices before all work is paid for.
That is the most extreme I’ve heard!"
"WOW! That does indeed sound like a nightmare.
I have done probably over 100 builds in this area. I have been with Suntrust for 22 years and have a great deal of experience on cp loans. Our CP program has changed a lot and has gotten a great deal more conservative.
Here are some of the basics:
These loans are funded out of Gainesville GA. We have a strict draw schedule that we adhere to and fund based on level of completion. We do require inspections, that being the indicator of what is funded.
We generally only do 4 to 5 draws."
"This makes no sense whatsoever. Draw schedule is established. Inspections are provided by us only upon inspection and work actually finished and completed to schedule would funds be dispersed. Period. This would never happen with a CP lender of reputation. This makes no sense. We would just not give money away to a builder without work being done. The inspectors and people involved are professionals and spot on. Flexibility is part of any construction process and financing. But an error of this magnitude I have never heard of. Not with me. And I have done many. 65% completed and 95% of funds dispersed – this makes no sense and awfully fishy.
Remember you are “our” client not the builder. The builder has to be approved by us to make sure he is legal and above board. It’s your money – your house – the funds can be dispersed to you who then can provide them to the builder. But we are not going to disperse funds to anyone unless the work on the schedule is completed. We protect our investment and our clients.
Remember any lender is not only protecting the client. They are also protecting their own self interest. What good would it do if the clients project was not finished and the client walked away?? The bank would have a mess on their hands and a foreclosed property that is “unmarketable.” No we do not require the funds go to the builder. Of course safe guards are in place. We make sure the builder is legit – then we look at the contracts, draw schedules – and disperse money only for what is done.
This would never happen with us. We make sure releases are provided as the project is being completed. Yes, some builders squawk. But this is why we do it our way – so we don’t have these messes. Our Construction people are pretty smart. You may have done this once or twice we have done thousands….That is why you come to us. Not just for financing but piece of mind.
Craziest thing I ever heard. Who was your lender….Scams are Us? Is this for real? Are you putting me on?
This is the craziest thing I ever heard of. I am doubting the “reality” of your letter. You do not even include your phone number.
If you want to understand CP financing and work with a real lender call me to discuss.
I’m sorry about your situation (if this letter is even real)."
"Wow, that sounds like a very tough situation (to put it mildly). So many of the things that you mention went so far against all of the checks and balances that we have and if any of them were implemented (safeguards, that is) you would not be in the position you are in now." but we’ll be happy to show you how the other side of the lending fence does business."
"Wow, what a nightmare."
"Yes we require an inspection before every draw. We start with a draw schedule and go off of percentages. The inspector releases items as they are complete, such as footings, foundations, roof, etc. You are responsible for paying for change orders as they occur. 10 draws is excessive and 26 is ridiculous. No we only fund after work is completed. We have to approve the builder ahead of time with references. I can’t answer why the bank would not go after them. I just don’t understand why they would pay him for work that was not completed."
"I firmly believe that you are victims of an extreme situation – almost “smells” like collusion. Do you have a good attorney????? This is truly horrible, and I am sorry you have been involved in such a debacle. Essentially, draws are based on percentage of work completed, and not on materials delivered, etc."
"I regret to hear of your construction to permanent loan loss. I can say I’ve never heard of anything like this in 30 years of business experience. We do not disburse funds to the builder for the very reason of funding another project.
1.NO – we require the Builder sign an addendum to the builder’s contract that would include STM.
2.We check out the builder’s permit and how he pays subs.
3.We require an inspection $100.00 each and do not fund until appraiser states complete (if he orders lumber he is not paid until framed) STM and appraiser keep a percentage of completion chart which must be followed.
4.We do not disburse for up grades – you pay the difference.
5.We have a construction lending department which keeps tight control of draws
6.Draws are limited to usually once a month; builder can draw 10% up front to establish his cash flow."
"I can certainly understand all your current problems and in a lot of ways more than you will ever know. We have a complete construction department that has been set aside because of all the problems that people have experienced in the past and we now take the application here locally and then send the file to Gainesville to the department for processing, underwriting, approval of the builder and that way they stay on top of things from the start to finish. It is unfortunate that things like this happen but with all the changes that we have gone though I think that we have put a lot of things in place to help people not have to go through things like you and have I."
"Hi Cat. Oh…. I am so sorry! I know you must be devastated. Take it from me though that there are other families in similar scenarios as you all.
In years past, there were several construction perm “programs” that were way too aggressive. Although they sounded perfect at the time, the unfortunate part is that buyers, builders & lenders are NOW realizing that it wasn’t well planned out. Builders began having a hard time obtaining financing on the business end, they relied on the customer’s money for the cost building (c-p loans) and the, c-p programs were too aggressive. The other biggie is that no one expected such a declining market or prepared for the “long term”. So …..I’m saying all of this so you will not beat yourself up…it’s been a tough year. I’m glad you emailed and will be honest with you with what I know.
Direct disbursement to the Builder??? No maam. You are in control of the funds. They are released to YOU unless you would like for them to be released to YOU and the builder (I strongly suggest the disbursements go to only you).
We give YOU to money and you give it to the builder.
We do not disburse funds to YOU until we are sure the work is complete and there are normally 5-6 inspections and disbursement so the disbursements and completed work in monitored often.
We distribute the amount per the draw schedule, plans, specs and proof of completion of each stage.
Unbelievable.
The builder had too much control of your build AND loan. You need to be in control of when your money is disbursed and it needs to go to you directly. When you are satisfied with the builders work & inspection is satisfactory, THEN you can give the builder the funds.
Lenders have to be careful with the lawsuits and the documents usually read that you can choose the builder (however, SunTrust requires that the builder you choose provides quite a bit of documentation about their business, providing references, credit checks, etc) to minimize as much risk for you as possible."
I’m so sorry about your experience. It should NOT be that way."
"I’ll have to add that we’ve had more changes in our industry in the last 18 months than I’ve seen in all my previous years in this industry and it’s a continually refined set of guidelines that we have to keep up with and understand. Many lenders have dropped their construction programs all together.
Yes but it’s the customers choice whether they want to disbursements to come to them or the builder. I personally always suggest they only go directly to the customer’s account so if you are not satisfied with anything in the process you have the power of control on your side in negotiating with your builder.
We require invoices before all work is paid for.
That is the most extreme I’ve heard!"
"WOW! That does indeed sound like a nightmare.
I have done probably over 100 builds in this area. I have been with Suntrust for 22 years and have a great deal of experience on cp loans. Our CP program has changed a lot and has gotten a great deal more conservative.
Here are some of the basics:
These loans are funded out of Gainesville GA. We have a strict draw schedule that we adhere to and fund based on level of completion. We do require inspections, that being the indicator of what is funded.
We generally only do 4 to 5 draws."
"This makes no sense whatsoever. Draw schedule is established. Inspections are provided by us only upon inspection and work actually finished and completed to schedule would funds be dispersed. Period. This would never happen with a CP lender of reputation. This makes no sense. We would just not give money away to a builder without work being done. The inspectors and people involved are professionals and spot on. Flexibility is part of any construction process and financing. But an error of this magnitude I have never heard of. Not with me. And I have done many. 65% completed and 95% of funds dispersed – this makes no sense and awfully fishy.
Remember you are “our” client not the builder. The builder has to be approved by us to make sure he is legal and above board. It’s your money – your house – the funds can be dispersed to you who then can provide them to the builder. But we are not going to disperse funds to anyone unless the work on the schedule is completed. We protect our investment and our clients.
Remember any lender is not only protecting the client. They are also protecting their own self interest. What good would it do if the clients project was not finished and the client walked away?? The bank would have a mess on their hands and a foreclosed property that is “unmarketable.” No we do not require the funds go to the builder. Of course safe guards are in place. We make sure the builder is legit – then we look at the contracts, draw schedules – and disperse money only for what is done.
This would never happen with us. We make sure releases are provided as the project is being completed. Yes, some builders squawk. But this is why we do it our way – so we don’t have these messes. Our Construction people are pretty smart. You may have done this once or twice we have done thousands….That is why you come to us. Not just for financing but piece of mind.
Craziest thing I ever heard. Who was your lender….Scams are Us? Is this for real? Are you putting me on?
This is the craziest thing I ever heard of. I am doubting the “reality” of your letter. You do not even include your phone number.
If you want to understand CP financing and work with a real lender call me to discuss.
I’m sorry about your situation (if this letter is even real)."
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Suntrust is so in the wrong. If this case ever got to court, it would be no contest Suntrust would loose bigtime.
ReplyDeleteLooks like you "acorned" the clowns at SunTrust! From some of the comments, it sounds like some of the construction loan administrators who responded were aware of what was going on in states like FL. If you could get some ex-SunTrust employees to testify that they were knowingly doing the wrong things but were forced by management to do them, SunTrust is toast. I hate hearing about big business arrogance like this and they should be made to pay for their mistakes. The public is behind you, Cat, and God bless your family.
ReplyDeleteWow!!! This looks really bad for SunTrust.
ReplyDeleteThere's always two sides to every story. If everything you say is true -- go to court.
ReplyDeleteThe TARP recipients like Sun Trust are disgraceful. They take the TARP money to keep them afloat, then keep the money, force foreclosures or worse ask them to do a loan modification.Meanwhile the banks known Net Present Value is NOT what the market is worth, so after months of trying to save homes and credit, the homwowner looses while the lender picks up the equity--like Sun Trust, IndyMac and many others. Then they send out 1099 abondment and whine to the government for "loss of equity"--as if they are truly helping people. What a crock. Banks need to take the taxpayers money and help the taxpayers homeowners like you.
ReplyDeleteGod Bless you. We will send your story out to Marco Rubio Florida Congressman that thinks like us--bailout of banks stinks. Helping the banks make profit is much different than helping the families keep their home and do the right thing.
It amazes me that Sun Trust allowed the $65,000 lien to be placed on the home. I think you should look into homestead laws in your state, then see how does Sun Trust like that!
Write me anytime. I will be on twitter @patriot101 complaining about Progressive Congressmen and Progressive bankers that ALL need to be shut down in 2010.
What they have done is a felony in California. They should not be able to disburse money without a third party who is qualified to determine the progress of the construction and put in writing that the contractor is due for a payment.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard of a bank just disbursing money without an inspection stating that the contactor is due a disbursement It's your money not theirs. You are borrowing the money, you are the one who will have to pay the bank. I am a general contractor and civil engineer and have been in business for 30 years. In California, the bank's employees would be in jail. I'm not sure that they can still be tried for criminal actions.
I do know that a good attorney could hang the bank out to dry and you should be able to collect for the completion of your home, the contractor should lose his license and you should be able to collect for pain and suffering.
I don't understand why you haven't sued the bank and the contractor. The contractor committed fraud when he took money for work he hadn't done. Again, in California he would be behind bars. There is consumer protection here. Putting all this on the internet is not the solution, it's going after their hind end. Banks could care less about you, they hope you will just go away if they wait enough. Don't let the statue of limitations for filing a lawsuit go by.
I don't know the contractor's law in Florida, but I would contact an attorney this week. Make sure he or she has dealt with contractors and knows the in and outs of suing banks and contractors. You sure as heck have a great case!
John O'Dell
General Contractor
Civil Engineer
We at SunTrust recognize that some reading this blog may be wondering if SunTrust is responding. We wanted to indicate that have been in steady communication with the Brooks for some time now. Our policy is to protect the privacy of our clients and refrain from publicly discussing the personal business we have with all of our clients.
ReplyDeleteTo SunTrust: Seems to me, the time for "steady communication" is long over. Time for action is looooooong overdue, for you all to make this right for the Brooks family. Just my 2 cents' worth from outside your borders...:)
ReplyDeleteAs a Suntrust customer for many, many years, I am absolutely beside myself over this! For years, I have invested and saved millions of dollars. My money, until reading this blog, was in a Sun Trust account. Best of luck to you. I hope you know you blog has already made a huge impact. Sun Trust just lost a longtime customer and millions of dollars that have now been put into an account with USAA. I don't negotiate with terorrists.
ReplyDeleteI had a very similar situation although not with Suntrust. A much lower dollar scale, but was still a lot of money to my family and I. I was considering using Suntrust for a refi of my house and I can say that they will not be an option. I feel your pain and I hope that it gets corrected. Mine never did. I spent thousands out of my personal accounts (after the contractor took all my loan money from escrow) having drywall rehung, buying fixtures that were never really purchased, reinstalling doors and windows and doing finish work. I personally worked on it almost every spare minute outside my regular job for 5 months so we could use the house. It would be great to see someone win in that situation. Best wishes to you and your family. --68
ReplyDeleteI am very saddened by what has happened to the families that were in business with Sun Trust Bank. I think this is a perfect example of why government shouldn't be bailing out these large corporations; generally speaking, if a company is not profitable or at least self-sustaining, it should be allowed to fail. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if you can't stay in business it's probably the manner in which you run your company. The very thought of bailing these sharks out with tax dollars, while millions of Americans are paying inflated interest rates is enough to make my blood boil. however, my prayers are with you and your family Cat. God bless you!
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